Is The Mac Overpriced?
The “Mac versus PC” debate will rage until the end of time, but one constant argument I hear about the Mac is that it is overpriced. In fact, an anonymous employee of Psystar (the makers of the so-called Mac clone) was quoted as saying that Apple marks up their hardware as much as 80%.
Whether that is true or not, the notion that Apple overprices it’s machines is everywhere. Now, I do not have inside knowledge of Apple at all, but I am going to try to analyze this and give my impression on whether Apple is too expensive for what you get.
Mac Mini
The retail price for the Mac Mini is $599. For this, you get a tiny computer with a 1.83 GHz Core 2 Duo, 1 GB of RAM, Intel GMA 950 graphics processor, yada yada. If you want 2 GB of RAM, the price goes up to $799 (which also comes with a larger hard drive). Now, that is certainly pricey and you can get yourself a better equipped PC tower for about the same amount of money.
Obviously, you’re paying for the design of the Mini. The Mini is a niche computer that only certain people are going to want. A similar form factor PC might be the Aopen Mini PC. The MP965 series has very similar specs to the Mac Mini and retails at $455. Other options include the XPC X100 which is significantly more expensive. A look at Newegg’s barebone list for mini PCs also provides much higher prices than the Mac Mini. Asus is coming out with the Nova P20 which is set to retail at $888.
The Mini is an appliance computer which is designed for a specific purpose. When you consider the Mini form factor and the fact that it comes with OS X Leopard, it seems to me the Mini is pretty competitively priced. Most mini PCs seem to have higher prices. But, yes, pitting the Mini up against the typical PC, the Mini (as a computer and not an entertainment appliance) looks pricey.
IMAC
The all-in-one Imac starts at $1199 and for that price you will get a 2.0 GHz Core 2 Duo, 1 GB memory, 250 GB hard drive with an ATI Radeon HD 2400 XT w/ 128MB video memory. A direct spec comparison to PC towers would, of course, lead to PC winning in the price war. However, this is an all-in-one so we need to compare it to other PC all-in-ones.
The Dell XPS One is perhaps the best known alternative. It starts at $1,299 and has a 20″ display, 2 GB DDR2 memory, 250 GB hard drive, integrated video. It is also running the Core 2 Duo, but it is running the E4500 which means it is likely 2.2 GHz. The price tag puts it at $100 more than the IMAC. The major difference in specs is that it has one additional GB of memory and has perhaps a slightly faster processor. Aside from that, it has essentially the same specs. Price wise, we have a tie. If you go to the highest priced model of the Dell XPS One, you get Blu-Ray and a large hard drive. But, for a couple hundred more, you get an Imac with a 24″ screen, same size hard drive, same memory.
The Gateway One ZX190 retails at $1,499. It has a 19″ screen and a slower processor, however it does come with a significantly larger hard drive. Style-wise, it is just plain ugly. So, it is more expensive than the Imac and I don’t think you get as much for your money.
So, I would venture to say that Apple’s IMAC is not overpriced. In fact, it is quite competitive.
Mac Pro
The Mac Pro is Apple’s premiere workstation tower and it is likely the pricing of the Mac Pro which adds the most fuel to the debate about Macs being more expensive. The Mac Pro starts at a whopping $2,799. But, let’s look at the specs. It has 2 2.8 GHz quad core processors (for a total of 8 processor cores), 2 GB of fully buffered ECC ram, ATI Radeon HD 2600 XT, 320 GB hard drive, 16X Superdrive.
Now, the processor specs are impressive as hell. 2 GB of memory is pretty weak. It is good memory (ECC and buffered), but 2 GB isn’t much. And the 16X SuperDrive is slower than most optical drives you’d see in a PC.
So, let’s look at a comparable spec PC. I see the Dell Precision Workstation T7400 64-bit. If we configure this beast with 2 quad cores at 2.8 GHz, 2 GB of ECC memory, a 320 GB hard drive, we are now looking at a sticker price of $4,128. This is certainly a LOT more than the Mac Pro for comparable specs.
The Dell Workstations are often considered to be the best equivalents to the Mac Pro, but just for grins, let’s look at one of the HP workstations. Their site is not as friendly, but it seems as if the machines are more expensive and don’t even come with a second processor.
So, yes, the Mac Pro is expensive, but it is priced very competitively. In fact, it seems to almost blow away the competition when it comes to pricing for this level of machine.
MacBook and Macbook Pro
Apple’s notebook lineup is pretty popular. The MacBook starts at $1099 and the Macbook Pro starts at $1,999. Now, let’s look at the Macbook Pro. It comes with a 2.4 GHz Core 2 Duo, 2 GB memory, 200 GB hard drive and Nvidia graphics.
The comparable notebook to the Macbook Pro is, again, the Dell. The Dell Precision M4300, for instance, starts at $1,429 and comes with a Core 2 Duo processor, 1 GB RAM, 80 GB hard drive. If I configure it to match the specs of the Macbook Pro, the prices comes out at $2,031. It is just a tad more, but also consider that this is running Windows XP 32-bit whereas the Mac is fully 64-bit. To me, that’s more for the money.
If we take the highest priced Macbook Pro, it goes for $2,799 and comes with a 2.5 GHz processor, 2 GB memory, 250 GB drive, 512 MB Nvidia graphics and a 17-inch screen. With Dell, we go to the M6300 in order to get the 17-inch screen. When we customize this system to match the MacBook Pro, it comes out to $2,671. This is cheaper than the Macbook Pro. Again, though, it is running 32-bit Windows XP and not the 64-bit OS X.
An HP equivalent might be the 8510P. This unit starts at $1,533. When configured to match as closely as possible to the intro-level MacBook Pro, the price came out to $1.751. The screen is the same size, but doesn’t offer as large a resolution as the Macbook screen. And it is running Vista, an operating system that runs notably WORSE than OS X.
Regardless, you’ll find that when you pit the Macbooks up against comparable PCs, MacBook pricing is right in the mix where it should be.
Apple Versus Self-Built PCs
In this look at Apple pricing, I am comparing Apple products to equivalent retail systems. Apple is, of course, retail so we are dealing with pre-built systems here. Now, when you compare this to building your own computer, we’re talking apples and oranges.
You can build a nicely equipped PC for less than your typical Mac, but it is hard to compare the two because Apple has no mid-range tower. You could compare the typical PC tower to the Imac (Apple’s mid-range system), but the Imac is all-in-one and that really changes the way it is perceived.
But, let’s make two comparisons here. I’m going to look at the Imac and the Mac Pro and we’re going to spec out a comparable PC build using parts from Newegg. First, the IMAC:
Hardware in IMAC | Price for Part from Newegg |
2.0 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo | $203 |
Motherboard (unknown) | ~$100 |
250 GB SATA 7200 RPM | $65 |
1 GB 667 MHz DDR2 memory | $20 |
8 X Superdrive | $30 |
Ethernet | included on board |
Wireless | $60 |
Bluetooth | —- (unless you want USB adapter) |
20 inch monitor | $250 |
Sound Card | $25 |
Video Card | $20 |
Firewire | $7 |
Operating System | $120 (Win XP Media Center) |
Mouse & Keyboard | $30 |
Case (included on Imac) | ~$70 (depending on your taste) |
TOTAL: $1199. | TOTAL: $1000 |
Some of these prices are ballpark. There are obviously a lot of options when you build your own PC, options that you don’t have when you buy the Imac. But, trying to spec it out as close as possible, we see that building an equivalent PC comes in cheaper. However, when you consider the all-in-one package and the fact that it is OS X, AND the fact that you don’t have to take the time to go get all the parts separately and build it, the price difference is small.
Now, if we look at the Mac Pro, let’s do the same thing.
Hardware in Mac Pro | Price for Part from Newegg |
2 X 2.8 GHz quad core Xeon 5400 series | $1,440 |
Motherboard (unknown) | ~$619 |
320 GB SATA 7200 RPM | $100 |
2 GB 800 MHz DDR2 memory | $40 (but not ECC) |
16 X Superdrive | $30 |
Ethernet | included on board |
Wireless | $60 |
Bluetooth | —- (unless you want USB adapter) |
Sound Card | included on board |
Video Card | $50 |
Firewire | included onboard |
Operating System | $120 (Win XP Media Center) |
Mouse & Keyboard | $30 |
Case | $175 (for a good one) |
TOTAL: $2,799 | TOTAL: $2,664 |
Again, some of these prices are ballpark, but I tried to make them average prices for a system in line with the Mac Pro. Again, the self-built model comes in a little cheaper, but the difference isn’t that much. You could cut costs by going with a crap case, but the Mac Pro enclosure is top notch and it would not be an even comparison otherwise. Also, the Mac Pro comes with fully buffered, ECC memory which increases stability.
So, when it comes to building a PC with roughly the same specs as a Mac, yes, you will come in a bit cheaper. But, is it enough to make a difference? Especially when you consider, again, that you’ll be running Windows rather than OS X (32-bit versus 64-bit). Also, as a guy who uses computers to work, I place a value on my time. When I consider that I would have to build the machine myself, consolidate all the parts myself, and at the end have no real warranty for the machine, it is a no-brainer: Apple wins.
The Final Verdict
NO
Macs are not overpriced. Pound for pound, if you compare a similarly equipped PC with a Mac, the Mac pricing comes in very competitively.
This debate will, though, rage forever. It is barely even a valid comparison considering the wide range of options available for PCs. Macs come with what they come with – case closed. PCs are very configurable. So, yes, you have a LOT more cheaper options available to you by sticking with PCs. But, this article goes to show that Macs are not overpriced when you look at what you’re actually getting.
One thing I think Apple really needs to do is release a mid-range tower. Something equivalent to the Imac but without the built-in screen. This would make Mac much more accessible to most, and provide a clearer part-by-part comparison with the majority of PCs on the market today.
And I couldn’t end this off without talking about what makes the Mac the Mac. OS X and design. The fact that you can run OS X rather than Windows is enticing to some. Now, I’m not going to get into the OS X versus Windows debate in this article, however simply comparing running Win XP 32-bit to a true blue 64-bit operating system (OS X) would come out with OS X the winner. 64-bit is more stable.
As for design, Apple does put a lot of thought into the design of their machines. You do pay for that design, but as this article shows, not much more (and in some cases less). The Mac Pro case, for instance, is a lesson in elegance.
This article was written by a guy who used to think Macs were overpriced. But, when you really start looking at it, they’re just not.
30 thoughts on “Is The Mac Overpriced?”
MAC OS X is best for editorialising (which encompasses a hell of a lot of things) and stuff like that, plus their are many programs out their that will only run on OS X.
If you want to run a server, or you want to avoid viruses or just like to customise your operating system to look like you created it, then choose linux. Also linux is the best programming platform hands down.
Again, the fact of the matter is, not 1 of these operating systems is better then the other, they all have their uses (and issues). It depends on your particular needs, but if anybody tells you that one particular one can never break down, is best at everything, allows you to do anything or says anything overly fanatic like that, just walk away, don’t feed the trolls.
Let me also point out to everyone, that you don’t need a mac to run OS X.
The EVGA SR2 classified costs around $400-$600, that monster can take two 6 core processors, but I’d suggest getting an AMD board because Intels latest 6 core range performs around 5-10% better for more then 100% increase in price. It can take 48GB of ram and supports 4way CrossfireX and 4 way SLI.
The MAIN problems with Vista was it’s compatibility and microsofts horrendous attempt to copy Linux by adding in that shitty ass UAC. Seriously if they wanted to make it as safe and secure as Linux they should have changed the entire operating system. But I’m getting off topic.
I personally have always been baffled by the fact that people buy macs, I mean seriously, look at those prices.
I do agree with you the author is biased, by intentionally choosing extremely high priced PC’s.
And who in their right mind pays 500 dollars for a Mac that is 5 years old when they can get a brand new PC laptop running Windows, or Linux for 300-700 dollars that is more powerful AND NOT USED!
You fanboys will never ceases to amaze me.
Do you think consumers are retarded? Do you think we can’t do a price comparison?
Favorite part:
Motherboard Unknown = Price 619 dollars…
What gracking planet do you live on? Even in 2008 there are no motherboards out there like that at Newegg, and if they cost you 620 dollars you’re a bigger moron that I thought. The MB might set you back 300.
Macs are way way overpriced, trust me I’ve priced and speced them. And Vista didn’t run slow, the problem with Vista was backward compatibility. Sure it was slower than XP on the same hardware, but you can say the same about iOS 4 on my 3G, it runs like mud.
Look just admit you’re a fanboy and change the name of your silly site to MacFanBoyCentral and we’d know you were biased, which proves you are not real journalist, as a journalist is taught to be impartial.
Today the price of a Mac Book pro compared to an equivalent Dell, HP is about 1000 dollars difference.
Case in point, last month I got my daughter a HP Core i5 laptop with 8 GB of RAM, a 750 GB HD, and a 15 inch LED back lit WS monitor with bluetooth, and the works. It only set me back $1150. The same laptop from Apple’s website (minus the .75TB HD as 500 GB is as big as it gets and a Mac Book Pro) sets me back $2,349!!!!!!
http://store.apple.com/us/configure/MC371LL/A?mco=MTc0Njg1OTY
Look the point is the price doesn’t lie, YOU DO, and all anyone need to do to prove is it bring up the Dell site, The HP site and compare to the Apple Store.
As for comparing to Newegg, that’s silly. It almost always costs more to build a homegrown PC, but when you do the quality component wise (mainly video card, motherboard, memory, and hard drive) are far better.
I call shenanigans.
Anyone who knows anything about computers knows that Macs are overpriced, there is no questioning it. It is common knowledge. All of that extra money for a mac and what do you get? Some apple logos and a mediocre OS.
again, this is FAKE FAKE FAKE FAKEEEEEEEEEE
Also you must take into account usability versus a big paperweight, when I see a mac, I think paperweight that will not do half the things I do on my PC, which in retrospect is a 50% or more decrease in performance.
Before I get to deep into this conversation, I’d also like to point out that Apple is a dictator company, they aim for control of everything. Keep in mind, you DONT actually own anything you “buy” from Apple. And if it’s not approved by apple, be sure they will be trying to block it from getting on your Mac.
~Celeste~
MACs are for people who really don’t have an idea of what a computer is and just want something that looks pretty. In the industry that I work in of scientific computing PCs are only used.
Perhaps if you are an art student who cares more about aesthetics than performance, go get a MAC.
my cheapo emachine with an upgraded video card served me well.
PC for the people who don’t spend exorbitant amounts on a computer that is the same thing.
Ball is in your court doushey
It’s simple, Steve Jobs has taken the same approach that Monster does in selling it’s gold plated HDMI cables. You get this perception that you’re buying higher quality, but what’s really going on is you’re paying twice as much as what a PC user would buy simply because of the name.
The fact is, I saw an optical drive at the Apple store for the Power Mac. They wanted $150 for it. I looked up the same drive for the PC at New Egg and found it for $75. That pretty much sums up the entire Mac experience.
You want to know something? Macs retain their value throughout time. Let’s say you get 2 computers, an iMac, and some PC.
Now let’s say they both costed exactly $1000, and they had the EXACT same specs.
In 5 years, when you are ready to get a new computer, you can sell your PC for about $200 while you can sell your iMac for almost $500.
I think that makes up for the price buddy.
ATX Mid-Tower Case
Core2Quad Q8200 2.66 GHZ processor
EVGA 780i Motherboard
8 Gb OCZ Reaper 1066 mhz memory
2 X EVGA 9500GT 1024 memory Video card SLI
Segate raptor 320GB Harddrive
Segate raptor 320 Harddrive
Ultra X3 ULT40073 750-Watt Power Supply
DVD Bruner, DVD ROM ,and a BlueRay ROM
wireless key/Mouse combo
5.1 surround sound system with a set of 3 way yamaha home speakers as the mains
and a 26 in sanyo LCD HDTV as the monitor
The problem is, Apple does not offer anything that matches what I need. If I want a Mac, I have to choose a Mac that is way over spec. And that makes choosing a Mac a very expensive option for me.
For my everyday work, I need a mid range tower (expandable, but I don’t need killer processor or graphics card). If I want a Mac, either I have to settle with an imac (I don’t want an all-in-one PC), or choose a Mac Pro (way overkill for what I need).
When I travel, I only need a laptop that do the basic mail and web surfing. I do need a relatively large screen as my eye sight is not that great. A low end laptop with 15″ screen is suffice, which Apple does not offer. Again, if I want a Mac, I have to choose one that is way overkill spec wise.
I would love to use OSX, but until Apple can produce something that better suits my need, Mac is out for me.
Ironically, the absence of an affordable workhorse shafts the one consumer group that helped put Apple where it is today: the graphic arts professionals. It is doubly ironic because the emergence of the computer has meant that the market prices for graphic work have been tumbling in the face of a zillion Adobe-empowered entrepreneurs, leaving artists struggling to pay for both the latest cutting edge processors and the tools of their trade which seem to continuously demand them.
I don’t think anyone would ever learn to become a race car driver if the only cars you could buy were either VW Beetles or F-1 Formula cars.
Wake up, Apple.
It’s just a marketing strategy. People who want macs will buy them, so they can charge more and sell fewer machines. Also, by charging more money for the same features, it makes macs seem like they are better quality.
Seriously, what is with that single button?